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Jan 9 2007, 23:02

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"I don't do Apple!"

Yes it's iconic, it's sexy, it's been so long awaited and I think it is due to this that it seems to have hit the mark before any1 has even unboxed it. Believe the Hype! NOT (yet)

If anything this is got to be a good thing as it might now lead to further developments in the WinMo arena. Device wise - by the time this launches in the UK I'm sure HTC will have launched zillions of new devices that should measure up. So, fanboy diehards aside, I don't see much happening beyond the hype.

Fair play to Maccies - they now have a PPC too (but we've had one for how long now?)

btw - any1 know who makes the hardware?

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Jan 9 2007, 23:09

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QUOTE(BrownSource @ Jan 9 2007, 15:02)

"I don't do Apple!"

Yes it's iconic, it's sexy, it's been so long awaited and I think it is due to this that it seems to have hit the mark before any1 has even unboxed it. Believe the Hype! NOT (yet)

If anything this is got to be a good thing as it might now lead to further developments in the WinMo arena. Device wise - by the time this launches in the UK I'm sure HTC will have launched zillions of new devices that should measure up. So, fanboy diehards aside, I don't see much happening beyond the hype.

Fair play to Maccies - they now have a PPC too (but we've had one for how long now?)

btw - any1 know who makes the hardware?

o yea i hadnt thot about that. when 1 popular pocket pc comes out (Iphone), were gonna be getting atleast 10 windows phones from every company atleast as good. well maybe not that much but now i do want it to come out just so more companys make some more windows phones.

then linux will start getting involved i bet.

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Jan 10 2007, 11:39

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Hmm, some people are citing a lack of keyboard as a problem... my brand-new HTC P3300 doesn't have a keyboard...

Also, some people are claiming iTunes sync will be an issue... hello? ActiveSync? I've been happily syncing my Orange SPV C500 with my work laptop for months... I buy a new HTC P3300 and can I get it to sync? Can I hell... turns out my firewall is a problem all of a sudden. Yeah, I imagine iTunes would cause terrible issues.

I'm not 100% convinced by the full touchscreen navigation... a scroll wheel or buttons makes one handed use an awful lot easier. I've had a Sony Ericsson P800, a Treo 650, SPV C500 and now the Artemis... for one handed use you need a scroll-wheel, jog-dial, roller-ball, something!

Having said that, the screen itself looks amazing... and the multi-touch interface could be expanded to so many uses!

The lack of 3G is a dissapointment, but I can't get 3G where I live anyway... so not a deal breaker. Lack of applications could be, but I realise that we Modaco readers are actually in the minority. The majority of phone users, and according to the data displayed there were over a billion phone users last year, just want what the phone provides... they don't add anything extra. Still, since it seems to run Apple Dashboard widgets, there is the possibility that they'd be compatible...

Three things put me off so far.

1) No GPS. After getting lost recently at 2am in a small Swedish city I realised I want hand-held navigation. Given the exploding number of TomTom units I see in cars every day, I figure I'm not alone.

2) No mention of Outlook sync. Ok, so iTunes works on PCs... but will it sync Outlook? Like many others here I work in a Windows environment, I need my device to play ball.

3) No mention of instant messenger. What 'internet device' doesn't run an IM client? I would have thought they'd have a big show about iChat on this thing... but there was no mention. Did Apple cave into demands from Cingular about their SMS revenue?

All in all though, I think it's a bloody amazing Rev.1 product! Congrats Apple and I wish you success.

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Jan 10 2007, 12:32

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QUOTE(fishd @ Jan 10 2007, 11:39)

Hmm, some people are citing a lack of keyboard as a problem... my brand-new HTC P3300 doesn't have a keyboard...

Also, some people are claiming iTunes sync will be an issue... hello? ActiveSync? I've been happily syncing my Orange SPV C500 with my work laptop for months... I buy a new HTC P3300 and can I get it to sync? Can I hell... turns out my firewall is a problem all of a sudden. Yeah, I imagine iTunes would cause terrible issues.

I'm not 100% convinced by the full touchscreen navigation... a scroll wheel or buttons makes one handed use an awful lot easier. I've had a Sony Ericsson P800, a Treo 650, SPV C500 and now the Artemis... for one handed use you need a scroll-wheel, jog-dial, roller-ball, something!

Having said that, the screen itself looks amazing... and the multi-touch interface could be expanded to so many uses!

The lack of 3G is a dissapointment, but I can't get 3G where I live anyway... so not a deal breaker. Lack of applications could be, but I realise that we Modaco readers are actually in the minority. The majority of phone users, and according to the data displayed there were over a billion phone users last year, just want what the phone provides... they don't add anything extra. Still, since it seems to run Apple Dashboard widgets, there is the possibility that they'd be compatible...

Three things put me off so far.

1) No GPS. After getting lost recently at 2am in a small Swedish city I realised I want hand-held navigation. Given the exploding number of TomTom units I see in cars every day, I figure I'm not alone.

2) No mention of Outlook sync. Ok, so iTunes works on PCs... but will it sync Outlook? Like many others here I work in a Windows environment, I need my device to play ball.

3) No mention of instant messenger. What 'internet device' doesn't run an IM client? I would have thought they'd have a big show about iChat on this thing... but there was no mention. Did Apple cave into demands from Cingular about their SMS revenue?

All in all though, I think it's a bloody amazing Rev.1 product! Congrats Apple and I wish you success.

I was also going to post some more thoughts about the handset earlier, but I was busy (in lectures)!

Posting this on my laptop via wmodem on my hermes from the library, shoddy Uni wifi: just say NO!

I saw this on Engadet earlier, and having given myself a few hours to sleep on the product announcement, its shortcomings are becoming more obvious:

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And the reality slowly sets in about what the iPhone is and is not. Noted analyst and Engadget pal Michael Gartenberg stated that the iPhone is first party software ONLY -- i.e. not a smartphone by conventional terms, being that a smartphone is a platform device that allows software to be installed. That means hungry power-users -- you know, those people ready and willing to plunk down $600 for an 8GB musicphone -- won't be able to extend the functionality of their phone any more than Apple (but thankfully not Cingular) dictates. Other unfortunate realities about the device:

No 3G. We know you know, but still, it hurts man.
No over the air iTunes Store downloads or WiFi syncing to your host machine.
No expandable memory.
No removable battery.
No Exchange or Office support.

I only realised that I use many of these features after I read the article - that lack of ability to install third party software, that's a real problem for me. I (probably) wouldn't have gotten one of these phones anyway, and thinking about it more I realise that once again, it's Apple's seemingly "form over function" mantra coming to the fore again. As Engadget also said, quoting the Apple France site: "the iPhone is NOT a smartphone." This is becoming increasingly apparent.

Power users will walk away dissatisfied from the iPhone experience, I feel - but the UI design and sheer useability of the device is still a benchmark for the other mobile device OEMs to model themselves on, they really have to come out with something a lot better than they're doing within the next 18-24 months if they don't want to lose a large proportion of their casual / regular person userbase, because for your average joe I can see just how much more the iPhone would appeal over a similar WinMo / Symbian smartphone offering.

I still think I made the right choice with my Hermes though, and maybe once the glassy-eyedness has worn off more people will come to realise what some already have. I can't imagine that Apple will leave it as it is though, and I fully expect to see an iPhone Mk. 2 within the next 18-24 months, with many more of the features initially left out (I'm expecting GPS support including software support (or maybe even Apple-branded navigator software!), support for Outlook push, most of the things missing at the moment. This is going to be a really exciting time for the mobile industry.

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Jan 10 2007, 12:45

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At first i was really impressed with the device (almost turning to the dark side!) but as more information comes out I'm less impressed.

First off no 3G.
Second the talk is that there is no support for third party applications (that's a biggy).
There is no way to upgrade the memory.
The battery is none removable.
No sync over WiFi.
No purchases from iTunes store on the phone.
No support for Outlook or Exchange.
No Tactile feedback.
2mp Camera with a rubish lens (tiny hole on the back).
Saying it runs OSX is like saying my phone runs Windows, true and false at the same time.

All that said it's VERY sexy looking and I'm sure will operate a lot slicker than WM5. Hopefully Photon is as slick looking and HTC pull there finger out to build a killer phone.

[edit]Looks like Christopher (that's my name too!) is a quicker typer than me![/edit]

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Jan 10 2007, 17:26

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I think a lot of people are missing the point with this phone. I don't believe they are trying to aim this at the business market (which is really where pocketpc/smartphone is aimed). This is a leisure device for people who use a computer(mac) to read personal email, listen to music, browse the web and watch the odd tv programme or movie. This will do this in a better way than any mobile device I've seen to date. But if you think this is going to overnight replace the pocketpc I think you are mistaken.
If you watch Apple's Mac adverts they point at Mac's being easy and fun to use for your digital media and this is the same for their phone. If you need and want more than that, then a PC or Windows mobile is your answer.
Personally since I use a mac at home now (because I use it for the reasons above) I would love one of these but since I use a PC at work along with Exchange and Office plus various other work orientated things then I still want my work phone to be a Windows Mobile.

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Jan 11 2007, 08:11

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QUOTE(fishd @ Jan 10 2007, 05:39)

Also, some people are claiming iTunes sync will be an issue... hello? ActiveSync? I've been happily syncing my Orange SPV C500 with my work laptop for months... I buy a new HTC P3300 and can I get it to sync? Can I hell... turns out my firewall is a problem all of a sudden. Yeah, I imagine iTunes would cause terrible issues.

The issue isn't syncing, its the itunes part that bothers many of us. I hate itunes. Activesync only acts as a conduit to Outlook, which I already used. If it replaced Outlook I would've never gotten a smartphone in the first place. But then again I'm picky. I looked at a getting a zune, until I found out I couldn't just sync it with windows media player. The extent to which I was willing to change the way I use my computer was I was going to add all my videos into the wmp library (my music is already in there). Thats it. So no zune, ipod or iphone for me I guess.

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Jan 11 2007, 12:23

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QUOTE(mikeeey @ Jan 9 2007, 22:59)

id just rather wanna get a windows pocket pc. cuz u guys realize that all of our favorite and well known apps and games here on modaco arent gonna work with this phone. theres already so much u can do with a windows device why get somethin that u cant do as much with? plus therse no keybord wich will make things hard, and like the ipods, u cant sync with anything except for itunes, wich created problems and anger for people. im also guessing that since ipods werent very user-friendly then this will be atleast the same, but probably even less user-friendly

Ah but really what extra software will you really need, full web browser, push e-mail, maps, widgets, and an ipod! also your phone programme it's all there!

I wonder how many people who have smartphones/ppc's use all the functions of it and are always installing new apps. Personally i just like having wifi and it not being a nokia!

I have an ipod mini and i find the user interface really easy, even my grandparents are using them now so it can't be that difficult, they're 75 and 80!

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Jan 11 2007, 18:27

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i will be getting the iPhone ASAP

I love Apple stuff, the computers are great, the iPods are great, i would never by anything else!

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Jan 11 2007, 19:00

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Personally, I wouldn't be considering the iPhone, even if I could afford it. I don't think I could stomach the vendor lock-in that is apparent with it. (It was confirmed day no 3rd party software).

I mean, the phone itself is gorgeous. The interface looks fantastic, and the storage I would sell a limb for (

). But, that said, you're limited to Apple's formats only. You're tied to iTunes, which I personally dislike immensely.

At least with the Windows Mobile platform, if I disagree with a format, I can just go grab Core Player (TCPMP), and store my media in a different one. While the iPhone interface appears to be much prettier, I have no doubt HTC, Eten, etc, will all react to this.

But at the end of the day, the killing blow is the price of this device. You could argue that it's relatively good value, given the built-in storage. But the lack of expandability means for me anyway, the iPhone just isn't an option.

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Jan 12 2007, 08:44

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eh... touch screen with no stylus?

sealed battery?

automatic wifi discovery?

push imap?

no 3G?

only releases in europe third quarter?!

no office support?

$600 on a 2-year signup?!

"ignores smart touches?!?"

ahem, no thanks. i only ever bought one macintosh, and that was one pair of the Emperor's new clothes too many. too expensive, too archaic, too outdated too soon, etc. etc. etc.

i'll stick with microsoft's humble little OS for now, ta. Until they smoke apple with their next set of updates, when i'll upgrade to a new (less expensive and more feature rich) phone that doesn't shimmer so much in the sunlight.

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Jan 14 2007, 02:19

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It looks quite pretty.But it is also too expensive for me.

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Jan 16 2007, 04:05

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and the good thing about our windows phones is we got WMStorage! u dont even need a syncronizing program.

and the whole no buttons things has bothered me. can u imagine how games will be? ur gonna be all excited to play an emulator on this big screen and then ul find out that half the screen will be reserved for buttons.

and from reading from wat everyone has said, theres way more cons to this phone than pros. windows phones does everything that this does, plus more.

1 more thing i wondered about tho. the visual voicemail. wouldnt that actually require a different service? will people start having MAC sim cards and a mac service?
i mean how could this phone take audio and turn it into a menu? different service right?

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Jan 16 2007, 05:05

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what happens with this accelerometer when you're in the train or bus and it stops/accelerates? do you have the screen going sideways then?

Apart from zooming photos, how is the touch screen in ANY way different or superior to windows ones? i can scroll through a list of my contacts just like steve did.

It's freaky how hyper people get about this... does that guy use drugs on his audience?

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Jan 16 2007, 08:16

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QUOTE(bennish @ Jan 16 2007, 05:05)

what happens with this accelerometer when you're in the train or bus and it stops/accelerates? do you have the screen going sideways then?

Apart from zooming photos, how is the touch screen in ANY way different or superior to windows ones? i can scroll through a list of my contacts just like steve did.

It's freaky how hyper people get about this... does that guy use drugs on his audience?

You forget!

"It's Macintosh!"

Hence overpriced customer service, if you can even get hold of them in the first place, expensive software, up to three hours (yes, you heard right) in queue in some store in London waiting for a macintosh 'Genius' (yes, that's what they call them at their Genius counter, believe it or not) to tell you that you'd better have the original packaging as it's going to have to be sent back to Ireland for a replacement, which may take up to eight weeks.

You can tell i've dealt with these people before, can't you. >:/

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Jan 17 2007, 06:57

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QUOTE(bennish @ Jan 15 2007, 21:05)

what happens with this accelerometer when you're in the train or bus and it stops/accelerates? do you have the screen going sideways then?

Apart from zooming photos, how is the touch screen in ANY way different or superior to windows ones? i can scroll through a list of my contacts just like steve did.

It's freaky how hyper people get about this... does that guy use drugs on his audience?

i hate that how people act about the iphone, and the fact that its apple. i was at school the other day and some people in the locker room were talkin about the iphone and i go up to them and tell them the iphone sucks and features arent that great, no better than anything else. and they say to me "well if there were some better phones, then thats what we would talk about. Microsoft should start making some windows phones." and i was like "WTF??? are u serious? microsoft has been making phones since 1999! i have a microsoft phone!" and then i pulled out my sda and showed them and they were all amazed that this phone has *windows* and that it even exists... WOW. its so annoying how everyone can know about 1 single apple phone in a matter of days, and in 8 years, out of all the windows mobile phones there are, barely anyone knows about them <_<

on the good news, i convinced everyone in the locker room plus more people that windows is the way to go, and theres nothin special at all about the iphone, i got them all to think it sucks lol

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Jan 18 2007, 08:32

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QUOTE(mikeeey @ Jan 17 2007, 06:57)

i hate that how people act about the iphone, and the fact that its apple. i was at school the other day and some people in the locker room were talkin about the iphone and i go up to them and tell them the iphone sucks and features arent that great, no better than anything else. and they say to me "well if there were some better phones, then thats what we would talk about. Microsoft should start making some windows phones." and i was like "WTF??? are u serious? microsoft has been making phones since 1999! i have a microsoft phone!" and then i pulled out my sda and showed them and they were all amazed that this phone has *windows* and that it even exists... WOW. its so annoying how everyone can know about 1 single apple phone in a matter of days, and in 8 years, out of all the windows mobile phones there are, barely anyone knows about them <_<

on the good news, i convinced everyone in the locker room plus more people that windows is the way to go, and theres nothin special at all about the iphone, i got them all to think it sucks lol

I couldn't agree more. IPod and the IPhone are portrayed as being new, special, cutting edge and unique, whereas in truth they've never had a device that does anything new, or is even implemented better or cheaper than others, but they get away with it and even the BBC gives free advertising by reporting it as big news, and as being something new.

Wow, a mobile phone with MP3 player, how revolutionary, only my last 4 phones have been able to do that.

And if you think it looks cool, just wait 6 months until you've seen John Prescott and David Cameron waving them around in photo opps, just like they all did with their Ipods.

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Jan 19 2007, 00:01

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i think this one looks a lot better.

http://www.dialaphone.co.uk/blog/?p=49

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Jan 19 2007, 00:52

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QUOTE(bennish @ Jan 19 2007, 00:01)

i think this one looks a lot better.
http://www.dialaphone.co.uk/blog/?p=49

Both phones are really nice looking, im looking more at that prada phone though. The iPhone is nice and all but it lacks the 3G coolness... Anyone know why they didn't include that?

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QUOTE(JPo_23 @ Jan 18 2007, 00:32)

I couldn't agree more. IPod and the IPhone are portrayed as being new, special, cutting edge and unique, whereas in truth they've never had a device that does anything new, or is even implemented better or cheaper than others, but they get away with it and even the BBC gives free advertising by reporting it as big news, and as being something new.

Wow, a mobile phone with MP3 player, how revolutionary, only my last 4 phones have been able to do that.

And if you think it looks cool, just wait 6 months until you've seen John Prescott and David Cameron waving them around in photo opps, just like they all did with their Ipods.

lol and so far i think the best is The Cingular Sync, "the first phone to sync music with windows media player"

i saw this on a commercial on tv, it made me mad and laugh so hard.

and when i say best, its obviously sarcasm

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