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paholman

Oct 20 2008, 15:27

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QUOTE(Confucious @ Oct 20 2008, 15:13)

Have you tried GPS? Mine worked fine on O2 but doesn't seem to work on T-Mobile.

Just a thought, but the GPS is A-GPS, so perhaps it needs network GPRS/3G access before it can pin point your exact position via the GPS chip.
If you're swapping SIM cards, then you'll need to re-enter your GPRS/3G network settings if using a non-iphone contract SIM.

Settings → General → Network → EDGE

Note: The EDGE settings option only appears if you enter a different SIM card that not an official iphone carrier.

Worth a try

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Oct 20 2008, 15:59

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Thanks for the reply paholman. I don't have EDGE but my 3G and GPRS is working fine (on T-Mobile UK). When I am on WiFi it finds my location without a problem so I guess it is something to do with the A-GPS server being only accessible by O2, but still not sure why it won't find my location using the 'proper GPS'. I believe the A-GPS uses the mast triangulation to get the rough location before the proper GPS kicks in to give the actual location. There doesn't seem to be anywhere to set the A-GPS server though.

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Oct 21 2008, 08:48

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QUOTE(Confucious @ Oct 20 2008, 15:13)

There is no software unlocking available for the 3G iPhone - yet!

Jailbreaking is easy and I did it without a problem.

Have you tried GPS? Mine worked fine on O2 but doesn't seem to work on T-Mobile.

Mine wasnt working, when i went outside my work this mornning i managed to get the little blue dot saying where i was and it was spot on.

Now im indoors it seems to be using the Network Cell Information to determine where i am as it shows a precise area.

It seems to work ok outside but just not indoors (although my workplace has a huge metal roof so thats not gonna help!)

If I jailbroke my phone and then a new firmware update came out how would you plan for this? Could i just install the firmware update then hope a jail break is available for the new firmware? Would all the apps stop working that were installed? Would I have to install all the apps again?

Sorry for all the questions just I dont fancy bricking my phone and just want to make sure i have all the bases covered! Found i lost signal yesterday for a bit when I was at the chippy but to be honest I was giving the phone a right hammering yesterday and the battery was pretty dead! Oops! So that could be a reason, so will keep an eye on it.

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Oct 21 2008, 15:51

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QUOTE(Tomchap @ Oct 21 2008, 09:48)

If I jailbroke my phone and then a new firmware update came out how would you plan for this? Could i just install the firmware update then hope a jail break is available for the new firmware? Would all the apps stop working that were installed? Would I have to install all the apps again?

There are two choices really, provided your phone is already activated

1. Wait for the jailbreak of that new firmware to become available, and follow the advice given by the Dev team

2. Upgrade/Restore to latest firmware. Depending on what that firmware does, it would likely close access to your 3rd party apps that are on there, and that space would not be accessible until you jailbreak again

Jailbreaking these days involves a restore of the new firmware and it's advisable to remove existing unofficial 3rd party Apps to ensure a successful firmware upgrade. Then re-install them again after the jailbreak

As a side note, there's a lot of widespread talk about "bricking" which is a term that's used far too widespread these days, even if someone has a failed install, or failed jailbreak and they say it's "bricked" when it's actually not. The iPhone definition of "bricked" appears to relate to "not booting" as opposed to "completely inoperable". The more people incorrectly use this term, the more fear it puts into people. The actual term means the phone is completely unusable and cannot be restored no matter what, leaving a useless device or a "brick". There's not many actual reports of those actual "bricked" iPhones. Many people can put the iphone into "Recovery mode" or "DFU mode" and do an iTunes restore/re-install of the firmware to get it working again. A failed jailbreak happened to me twice, and after my phone wouldn't boot at all. After an outburst of 4 letter words, I managed to do a restore using iTunes, and it worked again.

On saying this, some unofficial programs/applications can modify the bootloader or baseband which can actually "brick" your phone if it goes wrong, and will leave your device completely usuable. These programs have been used previously to "software unlock" the 1st gen iphones. As Confucious says, there is no software unlock available for the iPhone 3G yet.

I'm not saying hacking your phone is not without it's problems, it's the same as the Windows Mobile cooked ROMs etc, you jailbreak your phone at your own risk and you void your warranty if you do so .

Personally, since AppStore, I've not jailbroken my 3G iPhone on the latest firmware, although I did on 2.0 and also my 1st gen one. I removed the unoffical Applications, did a restore to the latest firmware upgrade, and it's been working fine as an official Apps locked phone. I'm on an official iPhone tariff so cannot say for sure if this will work for those phone activated during the jailbreak process.

The temptation for me to jailbreak again is there because of the MMS (Swirly MMS) and Video Recorder Apps (Cycorder) but so far I've resisted. I've survived this far without them.

Firmware updates have been pretty frequent in the last few months, and their purpose was to fix serious performance issues and bugs. Those updates are something I'd personally want on my phone straightaway, not something I'd be prepared to rely on someone hacking before I apply them.

Just my opinion though

I don't intend to send Modaco/Mobihlic users elsewhere but the Forum at http://www.modmyi.com is where the serious iphone developers and jailbreakers go, so you could get some re-assurance from those guys.

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Oct 21 2008, 16:02

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I was going to say something similar - but haven't had the time to type my reply! I have jailbroken my phone tho.

Thanks for the link paholman - hadn't found that one.

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Oct 21 2008, 16:59

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QUOTE(Confucious @ Oct 21 2008, 17:02)

I was going to say something similar - but haven't had the time to type my reply! I have jailbroken my phone tho.

Thanks for the link paholman - hadn't found that one.

My pleasure

Here's another useful one: http://www.iclarified.com
Their Tutorials are very useful, especially the jailbreak ones: http://www.iclarified.com/tutorials/iphone/index.php

Also added links to "Recovery Mode" and "DFU mode" in my previous post

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Oct 24 2008, 13:54

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Well havent jailbroken my phone, plan on waiting for the next update.

All im really missing is cut and paste (come on apple, soon I hope) and some kind of turn by turn sat nav program. (tom tom anyone? hehe, that would make the device spot on!)

So far tho, the whole apple iPhone experience has been a good one. The web browser for me personally is excellent, sooo smooth and just works. Even tho i have a turbo sim in my phone my phone still works pretty well. Ive had it occasionally say No Network but this is in patch areas of signal and also one time i just put my phone off then on again and it way fine.

Tried the apple iPlayer and it diverts to the iplayer beta site, which i can say works great on the iphone. Watching very good quality and smooth streaming media direct from the iplayer on my phone. Excellent stuff!

I dont fancy going with O2 as im pretty happy with tmobile so will see how that goes.

Excellent phone tho, very happy.

Confucious

Oct 24 2008, 14:52

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I can only echo what you said, I don't miss cut & paste that much but do miss satnav - it has the receiver, we just need the software!

There are loads of free apps for it and I've even paid for some, the iTunes store makes it really asy and they all just work.

I haven't enjoyed a phone so much since I got my first WM device!

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Oct 24 2008, 15:01

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QUOTE(Confucious @ Oct 24 2008, 15:52)

I can only echo what you said, I don't miss cut & paste that much but do miss satnav - it has the receiver, we just need the software!

There are loads of free apps for it and I've even paid for some, the iTunes store makes it really asy and they all just work.

I haven't enjoyed a phone so much since I got my first WM device!

Precisely! The app store is great, i currently have installed alot of game demos to try them out, which are pretty good, and alot of the games and apps just do the job, passing a bit of time or things like the facebook app or shazam just help out when needed.

and def agree with the last comment you made. I actually enjoy using my phone, using the browser, listening to music, texting and using the phone. No slowdown and when making and answering calls it all just works!

Very happy chappy!

I can see the App Store just going from strength to strength. I have to say tho there aren't many useful forums, apple sites that i can find for discussion about the best apps on the app store, altho there are alot of the jailbreak sites out there with info discussions on there about cracked apps or apps that only work when your phones jailbroken.

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Oct 24 2008, 19:12

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Yes, I'm with you two. Definitely the best phone I've had so far, and there's been a few.

Very happy with the games, Asphalt 4, Virtual Pool Mobile, Super Monkey Ball to name but a few. Brilliant!!

I definitely agree with the iPlayer (BBC) works brilliantly, as does playing of mp4 movies.

I miss Sat Nav and Copy and Paste too, it'll come soon, they have to. I just hope Apple don't try ban other Sat Nav software and try and add something to Google Maps, which would be a real shame. Having to download all the maps as you go is a real pain.

Firmware 2.2 is rumoured to include the ability for turn-by-turn navigation, so I really hope the likes of TomTom and Garmin release something soon after.
It was supposed to be in 2.1, but bug fixes took priority.
When it's due out is anyone's guess, anyone know?

I do find myself checking Google News for any firmware update news or iPhone Sat Nav gossip
Built-in GPS was what I wanted on the iPhone, and now I got it, I really want to make the most of it

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Oct 24 2008, 22:18

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QUOTE(Confucious @ Oct 20 2008, 16:59)

Thanks for the reply paholman. I don't have EDGE but my 3G and GPRS is working fine (on T-Mobile UK). When I am on WiFi it finds my location without a problem so I guess it is something to do with the A-GPS server being only accessible by O2, but still not sure why it won't find my location using the 'proper GPS'. I believe the A-GPS uses the mast triangulation to get the rough location before the proper GPS kicks in to give the actual location. There doesn't seem to be anywhere to set the A-GPS server though.

Likewise. I went with the Rebel SIM (sold as SIMable) and it works well with my T-Mobile SIM in my 3G iPhone, apart from GPS. If I put my O2 SIM back in, GPS quickly aquires a signal (even indoors) and is accurate. With the Rebel SIM it just refuses to work. I also suspect that the battery drain is significantly higher with the Rebel SIM (although that could just be due to the T-Mobile signal). If O2 had better UK coverage - and not just 3G - the phone / network combo would take some beating.

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Oct 27 2008, 11:13

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I keep checking for news on the iPhone to. Tried using the Google Maps app when i was a few miles away from home and in the countryside the GPS tracking was very patchy and not at all on par with my Diamond with TomTom.

Roll on the next update then with (fingers crossed) turn by turn say nav. Everything else on the phone is great (apart from the pain in the arse iTunes sync. hehe, so used to just plugging it in, copying whatever i want across to my phone and then done)

Overall pretty happy with the iPhone, everythings sooo smooth

very enjoyable.

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Dec 23 2008, 10:46

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QUOTE(Tomchap @ Oct 27 2008, 12:13)

I keep checking for news on the iPhone to. Tried using the Google Maps app when i was a few miles away from home and in the countryside the GPS tracking was very patchy and not at all on par with my Diamond with TomTom.

Roll on the next update then with (fingers crossed) turn by turn say nav. Everything else on the phone is great (apart from the pain in the arse iTunes sync. hehe, so used to just plugging it in, copying whatever i want across to my phone and then done)

Overall pretty happy with the iPhone, everythings sooo smooth

very enjoyable.

Hi all. Haven't been on the WM scene for some time, ever since I switched to the iPhone LOL. I mist say that I agree wholeheartedly with all you guys have said concerning the iPhone 3G. I love this device to no end. All that is missing is cut and paste, proper turn by turn sat nav software and Coreplayer!! The video quality of high quality mp4's are second to none o have experienced on a mobile device, but variety is the spice of life. Apparently, Flash for the iPhone is now on the works and that will truly make the iPhone the ultimate mobile communication device for me.
I also bought my wife a G1 Android phone (I was curious LOL), but whilst the current android platform shows much potential and the same multi touch technology as the iPhone, the 2 devices are worlds apart!!
Never thought I'd turn my back on WM so quickly! I'm actually quite dissapointed that Microsoft has not responded at all to Apples total takeover LOL.
What can I say, I'm enjoying the best that technology has to offer and I have loyalties to no company as no company has ever been loyal to me.
Congratulations to Apple for a formidable and successful first attempt at a smartphone. I'm one happy convert.

Just to add something of value doe those who are thinking of switching to the iPhone 3G, don't get an iPhone with baseband 2.28 as this will prevent the full software unlock that the dev-team will be releasing by new years eve the latest. Personally, I've switched to o2 so I get ALL the benefits of Apples updates.
Also, sim card adapter should only be used for short term use only as I believe they do not enable full functionality. But that's just my subjective experience after having used a few, nothing beats the experience of using the iPhone without these things.
What the iPhone needs is the likes of serious WM users and developers to identify and develop software to close the gap of office based functionalities etc.

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Dec 23 2008, 11:34

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Thought I hadn't seen you at xda for a while Mackaby007! Haven't seen you at Planet iPhone yet though either.

I upgraded to FW2.2 as soon as it came out so upgraded my BaseBand to 2.28 - D'Oh! The problem is shops are now starting to sell iPhones with FW2.2 already installed so some people won't have a choice. Let's hope the Dev team get the unlock working with 2.28 soon.

I used a Sim Adapter with T-Mobile (in the UK) on FW 2.1 with no problems at all. I now have an iSmartSim for 2.2 and there is a problem with T-Mobile 3G - it works fine until I lose signal and it wont find it again so I keep my phone on 2G and only turn on 3G when I need it - a pain but my battery does last a lot longer!

Like you, I am a happy convert to the iPhone - apart from the things you've mentioned better BT support is the only thing missing (and MMS support?) that I'd like to see - all the faults can be fixed by FW updates. The only hardware changes they could make is a better camera and larger (and possibly removable) storage. It is damn near my perfect phone

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Dec 23 2008, 14:54

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with the iphone 3g unlock due out on 31 december that will give more choice for networks , just if you have updated to 2.2 with the latest baseband then it will be a while till your phones simlock free , for me mine is simlock free , for those stuck to a simlock head over to http://blog.iphone-dev.org/ and watch the video of a 3g unlock

wonder when paul will get an iphone ( see he has a 2g version ) but thats not as fun as the newer baby

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Dec 23 2008, 15:20

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Et toi, Peekie?

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Dec 23 2008, 15:22

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QUOTE(Confucious @ Dec 23 2008, 12:34)

Thought I hadn't seen you at xda for a while Mackaby007! Haven't seen you at Planet iPhone yet though either.

I upgraded to FW2.2 as soon as it came out so upgraded my BaseBand to 2.28 - D'Oh! The problem is shops are now starting to sell iPhones with FW2.2 already installed so some people won't have a choice. Let's hope the Dev team get the unlock working with 2.28 soon.

I used a Sim Adapter with T-Mobile (in the UK) on FW 2.1 with no problems at all. I now have an iSmartSim for 2.2 and there is a problem with T-Mobile 3G - it works fine until I lose signal and it wont find it again so I keep my phone on 2G and only turn on 3G when I need it - a pain but my battery does last a lot longer!

Like you, I am a happy convert to the iPhone - apart from the things you've mentioned better BT support is the only thing missing (and MMS support?) that I'd like to see - all the faults can be fixed by FW updates. The only hardware changes they could make is a better camera and larger (and possibly removable) storage. It is damn near my perfect phone

Hey confuscious!! Nice to see you too mate :-)
Planet iPhone eh? Ok I'll check them out again and register there. I've mostly been on MMI as iMack007. Most of my time has been spent on the Jailbreak scene from day one as the needed and lacking features e.g. MMS etc can be via this avenue, as you know.
I must admit that I wasn't in the least interested in Apples offerings at first, but there came a time when I could no longer resist the urge to see first hand why so much was being copied from the iPhone to WM devices. Wow!!! What a pleasant surprise it was.
No doubt Apples next incarnation of their wonderphone will have a much better camera and and hopefully flash, but more importantly removable storage and battery would be nice, but we are talking about control freak Apple here LOL.
I must say that the lack of turn by turn voice sat nav is sorely missed on my part, but apparently Apple are allowing a Swedish based navigation software company to release just that in early 2009! Here's hoping anyway.
There are so many pleasing aspects to this device that it has in a way, made me very forgiving of it's shortcomings. I mean no cut and paste is almost sinworthy in my books, for a supposed smartphone, but hey, at least it is all possible, especially through the Jailbreak community.
The Appstore is absolutely amazing, but I couldn't help but check out the darker side of possibilities and briefly played with installous!! Nuff said, as I respect Modacos stance on such activities and I do not wish to advocate what has been achieved in the illegal sense, but the fact that something like this is possible outside the realms of Apples control is absolutely amazing. To me it represents alternative means of software distribution for paid apps that Apple refuses to let through the door for competetive reasons. Take coreplayer for example! Also we all know TomTom has had a perfectly working version for the iPhone 3G for some time now. Cydia could even host such apps if we could get the big developers to climb aboard, but then I'm not fully clued up on the NDA and other legal considerations, but I think you see point. MS and HTC didn't want us messing with their ROMs, yet we manage to find ways around all things and still not break the law, just jeapordize our warranties.
Anyway don't want to bore anyone with all my crazy ideas, but you must admit, the possibilities are far greater than Apple would have us believe.
In any event, have a great Christmas and smashing start to the New Year!! That's to everyone.

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Dec 23 2008, 15:26

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wonder who will be the first to buy the nano iphone when its out , looks abit too small to use and looks like an iphone thans been shrunk in the wash

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Dec 23 2008, 15:33

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QUOTE(Thumper Net @ Dec 23 2008, 16:26)

wonder who will be the first to buy the nano iphone when its out , looks abit too small to use and looks like an iphone thans been shrunk in the wash

LOL. Sure won't be me. Part of what drew me to the iPhone is that 3.5" screen. Anything smaller would not suit my needs, but hey, the way Apple design their stuff, I'm sure it will still impress me.

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Dec 23 2008, 15:38

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Not tried installous as I'd rather pay for s/ware or not use it - most is dirt cheap anyway. Jailbraking, on the other hand is fin - even Woz has his jailbroken. The Swedish 'SatNav' software is not true SatNav and is similar to Google maps but allowing you to have the maps on your phone. It's about time TomTom released on Cydia! CoPilot still have nothing for the iPhone yet - but I do keep nagging them!
Apart from that you seem to have summed up my thoghts on the iPhone quite well - saves me having to do it

And a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from me too!

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