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 Iphone 3g battery life, usage and standby.....
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post Oct 27 2008, 22:42
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How much usage and standby do you get on you iphone 3g battery life before u get a low battery notification?


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post Oct 28 2008, 08:53
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I find that because im always using the App Store via WIFI and the fact that I keep on playing with the phone, using the APPS that ive downloaded, send quite alot of texts also take a few calls and check my emails to, that by about mid day the battery is 50%.

If you turn off the WIFI and also the locational services (GPS?) the battery life is alot better. I have purchased a spare Apple iPhone USB Sync / Charge cable so i just plug my iPhone into my laptop to charge.

Im also thinking about getting one of those seperate chargers that you charge up then carry about for when i go on holiday or just need that extra power boost.


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post Oct 29 2008, 07:47
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Mine will last a day of fairly heavy usage - but I do have a charger at work just in case.
It's about the same as I get out of WinMo or Symbian devices with large screens and HSDPA / WiFi usage - except the iPhone is so much better wink.gif


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post Oct 29 2008, 09:08
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QUOTE(Confucious @ Oct 29 2008, 07:47) *
Mine will last a day of fairly heavy usage - but I do have a charger at work just in case.
It's about the same as I get out of WinMo or Symbian devices with large screens and HSDPA / WiFi usage - except the iPhone is so much better wink.gif


Here here! smile.gif

never thought i would say that about another phone, tried the LG Prada and Viewty, great phones but somehow lacking, Windows Mobile Phones, Do the job but clunky, and more often and not soft reset a day to fix, Sonys and Nokias, Usually have excellent cameras but again somehow lacking in options to add apps or programs.

The iPhone however seems to solve all these problems and im sure there will be alot more apps available over the coming few months that really grab my interest. Yeah the cameras not the best but i forgive it and everything else is smooth and spot on!

Battery life is alot better if things like GPS and WIFI are turned off. It is about the same as my Diamond battery wise and on my Diamond i didnt have WIFI on and if i did it would suddenly just go off half way through the day and id have to charge it.

I make sure i always have a spare usb charge and sync cable with me so i can charge it anywhere.
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post Dec 18 2008, 14:04
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If only the iPhone had a replaceable battery eh?

Wonder why they took that stance!

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post Dec 18 2008, 15:38
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QUOTE(Paul (MVP) @ Dec 18 2008, 14:04) *
If only the iPhone had a replaceable battery eh?

Wonder why they took that stance!

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hmmmm I wonder...

...could it be anything to do with company policy that when it wears out you have to buy another? Or more likely that - in the early days at least - they were very hot on stopping non-original accesories being produced for the ipod. The iphone just carries on the trend set years ago. My original roll-wheel 1st gen 6gb ipod would have been put in a cupboard years ago if I wasn't happy opening it up myself to replace the dead battery. Now I still use it to look retro down the gym...

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post Dec 22 2008, 16:48
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In fairness, there is one good reason for screwing in the battery - they can make it slimmer and lighter that way, without having to engineer in a door and user-accessable compartment for a battery that most users are never going to change anyway.

In all honesty, I've owned various smartphones over the last 5-6 years, but never once carried a spare battery or changed it through the day - you just re-charge when you need to, usually each day if you're a heavy user - the iPhone's no different, in fact it's battery life is very similar to the Tytn II, and not only did I not have a spare for that either, but getting the battery cover off was so fiddly they may as well have screwed that on as well!

In an ideal world yes, it would be nice to know I could change the battery, but it's misleading to pretend that they're be no down side to that - you'd end up with a thicker, heavier phone, and lose a lot of that trademark sleekness. Unless you are going to carry around a pocketfull of spare batteries routinely, you'd have to ask - why do it?

Ok, batteries are consumables and if you keep the phone for 2+ years, the chances are you will need to change it - but bear in mind, even Apple's charge for replacing it is only £55, that doesn't compare too badly with the price of a genuine battery from HTC or the like (and of course you can buy a kit and DIY for much less).


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post Dec 23 2008, 02:51
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QUOTE(Boinng @ Dec 22 2008, 16:48) *
In fairness, there is one good reason for screwing in the battery - they can make it slimmer and lighter that way, without having to engineer in a door and user-accessable compartment for a battery that most users are never going to change anyway.

In all honesty, I've owned various smartphones over the last 5-6 years, but never once carried a spare battery or changed it through the day - you just re-charge when you need to, usually each day if you're a heavy user - the iPhone's no different, in fact it's battery life is very similar to the Tytn II, and not only did I not have a spare for that either, but getting the battery cover off was so fiddly they may as well have screwed that on as well!

In an ideal world yes, it would be nice to know I could change the battery, but it's misleading to pretend that they're be no down side to that - you'd end up with a thicker, heavier phone, and lose a lot of that trademark sleekness. Unless you are going to carry around a pocketfull of spare batteries routinely, you'd have to ask - why do it?

Ok, batteries are consumables and if you keep the phone for 2+ years, the chances are you will need to change it - but bear in mind, even Apple's charge for replacing it is only £55, that doesn't compare too badly with the price of a genuine battery from HTC or the like (and of course you can buy a kit and DIY for much less).


The HTC Dream G1 has the right idea - the entire back comes off instead of a trapdoor. The iphone's back will come off too ( and go back on again ;-) with a similar amount of effort ( once you've learnt how to do it + with the right tools! ) so I don't think it's design is much better than all removable battery models in terms of space saving.

I work in places where I may have limited access to mains electricity and even then it's patchy and of variable voltage so I do keep spare batteries around. I have an s730 currently and about 4 batteries 2 of which were spares for my s710 but I do use it an awful lot for mobile data so can get anything from 2 days to 6 hours dependng on the usage. The older ones are 'wearing' and are only kept for emergencies.

*Genuine* HTC batteries are £20 in blister packs or £10 bulk packed or even £3 chinese fleabay version so apple's charge doesn't compare well but still better than their ipod 1st gen 'service charge' of £135 when I asked them years ago....

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post Dec 23 2008, 11:38
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The G1's door may just be its back, but what's underneath, bare circuitry? I'm guessing not, I'm guessing there's a plastic user-servicable compartment in there, and enough material to give it structural rigidity to offset the flexibility of the removable back, am I right? All of that adds some weight and thickness.

I'm not saying Apple's approach is the "right" one, or not without its drawbacks, I can just see there are some advantages in this case. Making the iPhone a sealed unit makes it slimmer, it also makes it more solid and less prone to the ingress of dust and moisture etc. Virtually every picture I took on my old Tytn II was rubbish because of the amount of dust and crap collected on the inside of the camera lens, set into the removable back - the iPhone's camera is a similar arrangement set behind a skylight on the back of the phone, but it stays clean on the inside and the pictures are better for it.

If you're used to changing batteries regularly then the iPhone's not for you, but for the rest of us the design isn't so silly.
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post Dec 23 2008, 13:10
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QUOTE(Boinng @ Dec 23 2008, 11:38) *
The G1's door may just be its back, but what's underneath, bare circuitry? I'm guessing not, I'm guessing there's a plastic user-servicable compartment in there, and enough material to give it structural rigidity to offset the flexibility of the removable back, am I right? All of that adds some weight and thickness.

I'm not saying Apple's approach is the "right" one, or not without its drawbacks, I can just see there are some advantages in this case. Making the iPhone a sealed unit makes it slimmer, it also makes it more solid and less prone to the ingress of dust and moisture etc. Virtually every picture I took on my old Tytn II was rubbish because of the amount of dust and crap collected on the inside of the camera lens, set into the removable back - the iPhone's camera is a similar arrangement set behind a skylight on the back of the phone, but it stays clean on the inside and the pictures are better for it.

If you're used to changing batteries regularly then the iPhone's not for you, but for the rest of us the design isn't so silly.


Actually the g1 has a thin plastic covering inside the battery area. The iphone has shielding between battery and other componants as well as, otherwise the 'bare circuitry' ( and there is none, all surfaces at the back of the 1st gen iphone I took apart had plastic membranes over everything) would short on the metal back plate wouldn't it (!) so IMO it's as complex a design as a removable battery and if you compare the actual thickness of the compartment the g1 has for the battery, it's thinnner than the iphone's battery area. The handsets are comparable in size also despie the g1 having a sliding screen.

I never said the iphone was 'silly' or 'not for me' - I have both a 1st and a 2nd gen iphone, I was just explaining the difference. IMO the sealed unit approach does not necessarily make it 'slimmer' - I have many recent LG's and samsung handsets that are thinner with removable batteries. My point was the iphone is unneccesarily awkward and can pose real issues for some people who need more performance from a daily phone and not just a 'style statement' to look at while sipping their latte....

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post Dec 23 2008, 13:49
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QUOTE(Mysterious Stranger @ Dec 23 2008, 13:10) *
Actually the g1 has a thin plastic covering inside the battery area. The iphone has shielding between battery and other componants as well as, otherwise the 'bare circuitry' ( and there is none, all surfaces at the back of the 1st gen iphone I took apart had plastic membranes over everything) would short on the metal back plate wouldn't it (!) so IMO it's as complex a design as a removable battery and if you compare the actual thickness of the compartment the g1 has for the battery, it's thinnner than the iphone's battery area. The handsets are comparable in size also despie the g1 having a sliding screen.


We're into comparing apples and oranges now though - I don't know how the battery sizes compare between the two, for one thing (the G1 reportedly has abysmal battery life, but whether that's the OS, hardware, or a lower capacity slimmer battery I don't know). I'm curious as to whether you've completely dismantled your G1 to confirm it has only a "thin" plastic covering inside the battery area.. if you're right and the room for the battery is actually smaller than that in the iPhone, then that right there is your tradeoff - more space needed for the compartment itself and a smaller battery (and lower life) as a result.

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I never said the iphone was 'silly' or 'not for me'


No, but then you go and spoil it all by something stupid like:

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.. iphone is unneccesarily awkward and can pose real issues for some people who need more performance from a daily phone and not just a 'style statement' to look at while sipping their latte....


Which is just latte-bashing twaddle.
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MS - not everyone is as technically minded as you or as capable of changing a battery...

Best take it to a service center wink.gif
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QUOTE(Boinng @ Dec 23 2008, 13:49) *
We're into comparing apples and oranges now though - I don't know how the battery sizes compare between the two, for one thing (the G1 reportedly has abysmal battery life, but whether that's the OS, hardware, or a lower capacity slimmer battery I don't know). I'm curious as to whether you've completely dismantled your G1 to confirm it has only a "thin" plastic covering inside the battery area.. if you're right and the room for the battery is actually smaller than that in the iPhone, then that right there is your tradeoff - more space needed for the compartment itself and a smaller battery (and lower life) as a result.
No, but then you go and spoil it all by something stupid like:
Which is just latte-bashing twaddle.


Yep, I have taken a G1 apart. My point of mentioning it that you seem unable to grasp was to illustrate building in a non-removable battery is not a pre-requisite to making a slim phone. There are a few tear-down guides out there on the net if you want to actually see inside. The G1's battery life is ok without wifi and the latest rom in 'standby' battery usage is on a par with winmo/iphone 1st gen and better than iphone 2nd gen.

Tethered using AT&T the 2nd gen iphone drains the battery in use as a data modem in about 1.5 hours so unless it's plugged in its short battery life is a massive hinderance - a changable battery would help here massively - so if I want to do serious work rather than just light browsing / surfing I have to use a windows mobile and windows laptop or make sure I have a charger handy and risk flattening the battery of my laptop charging the iphone.

I never said the room for the battery was *smaller* on the G1 -I said it was *thinner* than the iphones battery area after you stated a sealed in battery made it slimmer:

QUOTE(Boinng @ Dec 23 2008, 11:38) *
Making the iPhone a sealed unit makes it slimmer,


QUOTE(Mysterious Stranger @ Dec 23 2008, 13:10) *
if you compare the actual thickness of the compartment the g1 has for the battery, it's thinnner than the iphone's battery area. The handsets are comparable in size also despie the g1 having a sliding screen.


They may have other reasons for sealing it in, but that definatley isn't one of them.

QUOTE(Confucious @ Dec 23 2008, 14:34) *
MS - not everyone is as technically minded as you or as capable of changing a battery...

Best take it to a service center wink.gif


My point exactly. A removable battery is so much more handy and doesn't necessarily add any usefullness - if the iphone's battery was spread over the entire back casing similar to 36xx ipaqs and the XDA wallaby it would make the phone slimmer. Instead it's concentrated in small area and gives no size benefit to the increased inconvenience.

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